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Pelagios
Pelagios
Fictionalization of Vampires
Aug 8 2017, 3:53 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 11 2017, 4:18 AM EDT
Strigoi, Moroi, Dhamphir, Psionic, the list goes on. It's like we're not happy with the classic idea of vampires, which on their own are such magnificent and interesting creatures, For some reason, we have to continuously alter their characteristics to add this 'edge' and produce another hundred young adult novels, anime, TV spin-offs, and movies. Not to mention how all four of these are based on myths and legends that were poorly translated and terribly misunderstood.

My rant aside, I took out some of the pages under the vampire section. Only bits of information are valuable and until I can compile enough to truly and accurately summarize the myths of these creatures, we're better off being one less website that's spewing nonsense.

Edit: Everyone is more than welcome to discuss vampires on this thread, just don't go off topic.
Edit: Considering my experience and knowledge of Vlad Tepes's history, please direct any questions and comments about him to me. I promise I won't bite.
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Varju
Varju
1. RE: Fictionalization of Vampires
Aug 8 2017, 4:37 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 8 2017, 4:37 AM EDT
"Strigoi, Moroi, Dhamphir, Psionic, the list goes on. It's like we're not happy with the classic idea of vampires, which on their own are such magnificent and interesting creatures, For some reason, we have to continuously alter their characteristics to add this 'edge' and produce another hundred young adult novels, anime, TV spin-offs, and movies. Not to mention how all four of these are based on myths and legends that were poorly translated and terribly misunderstood.

My rant aside, I took out some of the pages under the vampire section. Only bits of information are valuable and until I can compile enough to truly and accurately summarize the myths of these creatures, we're better off being one less website that's spewing nonsense.

Edit: Everyone is more than welcome to discuss vampires on this thread, just don't go off topic."
Yes. I have noticed this aggravating and sad trend, as well. This is also the way Goblin, Erika and Myself have always felt, with the similar fairy-lore revisionism.
However, it is worse regarding vampires, these days.
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_Jesterette_
_Jesterette_
2. RE: Fictionalization of Vampires
Aug 9 2017, 6:40 PM EDT | Post edited: Aug 9 2017, 6:40 PM EDT
"Strigoi, Moroi, Dhamphir, Psionic, the list goes on. It's like we're not happy with the classic idea of vampires, which on their own are such magnificent and interesting creatures, For some reason, we have to continuously alter their characteristics to add this 'edge' and produce another hundred young adult novels, anime, TV spin-offs, and movies. Not to mention how all four of these are based on myths and legends that were poorly translated and terribly misunderstood.

My rant aside, I took out some of the pages under the vampire section. Only bits of information are valuable and until I can compile enough to truly and accurately summarize the myths of these creatures, we're better off being one less website that's spewing nonsense.

Edit: Everyone is more than welcome to discuss vampires on this thread, just don't go off topic."
I have to admit I really like Twilight. But I also realize that its portrayal of "vampires" is b.s. I'm no expert on vampires but don't the original legends depict them kind of like ghouls or zombies?
Question: -Did the depictions of vampires as blood-drinkers start with Vlad the Impaler (aka Vlad Dracul)? Or have they always been depicted as blood-drinkers?
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Varju
Varju
3. RE: Fictionalization of Vampires
Aug 9 2017, 6:52 PM EDT | Post edited: Aug 9 2017, 6:52 PM EDT
"I have to admit I really like Twilight. But I also realize that its portrayal of "vampires" is b.s. I'm no expert on vampires but don't the original legends depict them kind of like ghouls or zombies?
Question: -Did the depictions of vampires as blood-drinkers start with Vlad the Impaler (aka Vlad Dracul)? Or have they always been depicted as blood-drinkers?"
Here is some rather in depth information on Vlad Tepes, otherwise known as Vlad The Impaler.
It is from Wikipedia, so I am uncertain if all information is 100% accurate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlad_the_Impaler

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Varju
Varju
4. RE: Fictionalization of Vampires
Aug 9 2017, 6:54 PM EDT | Post edited: Aug 9 2017, 6:54 PM EDT
I also found this interesting.

https://www.livescience.com/40843-real-dracula-vlad-the-impaler.html

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Lesionia
Lesionia
5. RE: Fictionalization of Vampires
Aug 9 2017, 11:06 PM EDT | Post edited: Aug 9 2017, 11:06 PM EDT
"I have to admit I really like Twilight. But I also realize that its portrayal of "vampires" is b.s. I'm no expert on vampires but don't the original legends depict them kind of like ghouls or zombies?
Question: -Did the depictions of vampires as blood-drinkers start with Vlad the Impaler (aka Vlad Dracul)? Or have they always been depicted as blood-drinkers?"
According to some folklore they were known as undead for the fact that people would see a loved one that has been dead to visit them and attack them. The victims would soon end up dead. So they would dig up the body and stake it to the coffin or behead them.
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Pelagios
Pelagios
6. RE: Fictionalization of Vampires
Aug 11 2017, 4:03 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 11 2017, 4:03 AM EDT
The wikipedia article for Vlad Tepes is relatively accurate in terms of history. The rest is a result of poor translation.

Jesterette, no the depictions of vampires as blood-drinkers did not start with Vlad Tepes. That started long before. Bram Stoker, who wrote the novel Dracula, just bastardized the legend of Vlad Tepes because he didn't understand the violent tendencies the king had.

To be completely honest, I wish Vlad Tepes wasn't tied to the lore of vampires. I'm one of his descendants (yes, legitimately) and it's really awful to have everyone you introduce yourself to spew some ignorant assumption or backhanded comment about someone from your lineage. He was a good king, albeit violent and cruel to his enemies, but he was a national hero and deserves more respect than the Western society gives him.
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Pelagios
Pelagios
7. RE: Fictionalization of Vampires
Aug 11 2017, 4:13 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 11 2017, 4:13 AM EDT
"I also found this interesting.

https://www.livescience.com/40843-real-dracula-vlad-the-impaler.html

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This is a nice source of information, if nothing else, it's unbiased. When it comes to Vlad Tepes, it seems like the concept of Dracula narrows our perception of his legacy and his rule.

I've been fortunate enough to explore Wallachia (his old kingdom) and visit many of the historical sites and read texts and records that are straight from the source. While his violent tendencies and bloody methods are difficult to digest, they don't necessarily point to him being a vampire. The only fact that does, however, is the mystery surrounding his death. Historians from all over the world are still unsure of how he dies and no one, not even the people of Romania, have definite knowledge of his remains like they do with other kinds (Stephen the Great, also an ancestor of mine, for example). He essentially disappeared and most agree that the Turks claimed his death as their victory simply because there wasn't any way to prove or disprove it. This begs the question of whether or not he still lives to this day...
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Pelagios
Pelagios
8. RE: Fictionalization of Vampires
Aug 11 2017, 4:15 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 11 2017, 4:15 AM EDT
Besides, any intelligent vampire wouldn't carelessly leave any evidence of their true identity. ;) 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
Pelagios
Pelagios
9. RE: Fictionalization of Vampires
Aug 11 2017, 4:22 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 11 2017, 4:22 AM EDT
"According to some folklore they were known as undead for the fact that people would see a loved one that has been dead to visit them and attack them. The victims would soon end up dead. So they would dig up the body and stake it to the coffin or behead them."
Or install metal/steel bars around the hands and neck, or re-position the corpse face down, or stuff stones in their mouth, or literally all of the above at once.
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Varju
Varju
10. RE: Fictionalization of Vampires
Aug 12 2017, 4:06 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 12 2017, 4:06 AM EDT
"This is a nice source of information, if nothing else, it's unbiased. When it comes to Vlad Tepes, it seems like the concept of Dracula narrows our perception of his legacy and his rule.

I've been fortunate enough to explore Wallachia (his old kingdom) and visit many of the historical sites and read texts and records that are straight from the source. While his violent tendencies and bloody methods are difficult to digest, they don't necessarily point to him being a vampire. The only fact that does, however, is the mystery surrounding his death. Historians from all over the world are still unsure of how he dies and no one, not even the people of Romania, have definite knowledge of his remains like they do with other kinds (Stephen the Great, also an ancestor of mine, for example). He essentially disappeared and most agree that the Turks claimed his death as their victory simply because there wasn't any way to prove or disprove it. This begs the question of whether or not he still lives to this day..."
Ah. I did not know you were a decedent. Interesting.
And yes, I found the "Live Science" source more credible than Wikipedia. It does seem to take a less judgmental approach.
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Varju
Varju
11. RE: Fictionalization of Vampires
Aug 12 2017, 4:10 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 12 2017, 4:10 AM EDT
"Besides, any intelligent vampire wouldn't carelessly leave any evidence of their true identity. ;)"
Exactly. Unlike the film versions of the "vampire", where they often go about leaving a drained corpse lying around, just inviting scrutiny and their own demise. Incredibly foolish for a being that is, generally, highly intelligent.
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Varju
Varju
12. RE: Fictionalization of Vampires
Aug 12 2017, 4:13 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 12 2017, 4:13 AM EDT
"According to some folklore they were known as undead for the fact that people would see a loved one that has been dead to visit them and attack them. The victims would soon end up dead. So they would dig up the body and stake it to the coffin or behead them."
Yes, I have read and heard tell of such legends.
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Director,of,Intel
13. RE: Fictionalization of Vampires
Sep 15 2017, 3:32 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 15 2017, 3:32 PM EDT
"The wikipedia article for Vlad Tepes is relatively accurate in terms of history. The rest is a result of poor translation.

Jesterette, no the depictions of vampires as blood-drinkers did not start with Vlad Tepes. That started long before. Bram Stoker, who wrote the novel Dracula, just bastardized the legend of Vlad Tepes because he didn't understand the violent tendencies the king had.

To be completely honest, I wish Vlad Tepes wasn't tied to the lore of vampires. I'm one of his descendants (yes, legitimately) and it's really awful to have everyone you introduce yourself to spew some ignorant assumption or backhanded comment about someone from your lineage. He was a good king, albeit violent and cruel to his enemies, but he was a national hero and deserves more respect than the Western society gives him."
I'm related to Norman the Conquer legitimately, and to a lot of other rulers
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Director,of,Intel
14. RE: Fictionalization of Vampires
Sep 15 2017, 3:33 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 15 2017, 3:33 PM EDT
Sanguine Vampires are fairly misunderstood, I've spoken to a few before.... Also know a few energy vampires too Do you find this valuable?    
Varju
Varju
15. RE: Fictionalization of Vampires
Sep 16 2017, 9:05 AM EDT | Post edited: Sep 16 2017, 9:05 AM EDT
"Sanguine Vampires are fairly misunderstood, I've spoken to a few before.... Also know a few energy vampires too"
I often must clean up after psychic vampires.
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Director,of,Intel
16. RE: Fictionalization of Vampires
Sep 16 2017, 12:38 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 16 2017, 12:38 PM EDT
"I often must clean up after psychic vampires."
How so?
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Darkling_Star
17. RE: Fictionalization of Vampires
Sep 17 2017, 6:27 AM EDT | Post edited: Sep 17 2017, 6:27 AM EDT
Yeah, I'd be interested in hearing about that, too. Do you find this valuable?